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In the Halo Fanon rules it states No sexuality or lasciviousness allowed. Things acceptable for common usage in normal society are acceptable. I would like to challenge this rule. There is something I'm working on that would in its best form contain an explicit discussion of sexuality in the context of a formal analysis of rape involving humans and Jiralhanae. This would not be delivered in a tone intended to be erotic, but rather to horrify and perhaps intrigue in a style inspired by RR's Kimberly Ivy Blackburn. Would this be permissible provided I give an appropriate warning preceding the article? Note that I was allowed to have simple mention of rape in Halo 3: Ascension, and RR posted Kimberly_Ivy_Blackburn#Sexual_Abuse_and_Torture. --Dragonclaws(talk) 07:41, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
If you gave a warning, in my opinion, then yes. Halo is a M rated game, and rape is mentioned multiple times in the books, and in ODST, in Sadie's story.
I'll reserve judgement until such writing is delivered. Under normal circumstances, I would likely say no, but I trust Dragonclaws enough to allow him to try
In my opinion, I think the sexuality rule is rather vague in its wording. In fact, it consist of only two sentences: "No sexuality or lasciviousness allowed. Things acceptable for common usage in normal society are acceptable". As much as I know some of you don't want to hear this, and even though I currently have no plans to write any such material, the sexuality rule needs to take a definite stance on issues such:
What exactly constitutes this so-called "common usage" that IS considered allowed on this wiki?
What exactly is considered crossing the line?
How graphic can it get before it crosses the line?
How far can you go in terms of sexual references for horror purposes (i.e. rape, sexual abuse as per Kimberly Ivy Blackburn)?
What about comic relief purposes?
How far can you go in "lemon" (sex fanfic) territory before it crosses the line?
What specific things are definitely NOT allowed?
If I write an erotic scene with all of the sexual terms replaced with *******, does that cross the line?
Spartan-091 — Senior BureaucratOrpheus10/105M56S TALK • CONTRIBUTIONS — {{{time}}}, Eastern Standard Time (GMT -5)
Dragonclaws, that would be amenable, so long as the article was CLEARLY TAGGED and DID NOT EXTEND INTO THE REALM OF BEING SEXUAL FOR SEXUALITY'S SAKE. I have no problem with free and creative expression, but we do have to remember that we cater to a younger user group as well as us college fogies. I have no problem with sexuality of your kind either. I read your past articles and noted that before it was eliminated from the article, such a thing was used tastefully. As long as you are up to that standard on this go 'round (which I'm sure you are), I've got no problems with it.
SPARTAN-119, here's a brief summary, which I think most of us would agree should be the policy. Speaking as the senior admin on duty, this is the policy I feel would fit our community's needs at the moment:
Common usage would be PG-13 rated stuff. (Illustrated depictions of physical affection that falls under this particular movie rating)
Crossing the line would be writing an R rated encounter (that would be the "ahem" act itself) without properly tagging the article as Mature-only or some other type of warning about content.
Graphic? I'd really prefer that we not got down into simply a pornfic site, so let's keep it tasteful, say Joseph Staten at the end of Contact Harvest. Make sure it's clearly labelled as for mature audiences, however.
I'd really prefer to keep those to a minimum, but if your story would be enhanced greatly by the addition of a rape/sex abuse reference, then as long as it's tagged, we should be okay. Again. Tasteful.
Comic relief? I'm not exactly sure how sex could be used as comic relief...
No. We're not doing any sex fanfics. That's the end of the story. If a user wants to fantasize about Cortana getting "hit on" by the Gravemind, he can do it on his own time and with his own piece of wanking material. As far as I'm concerned, that stays off of this site permanently.
That's just confusing, but if you don't want to put a template up for it, I suppose that would work. It'd be easier just to flag it.
That's my stance on this, and I'm pretty sure everyone would agree that this is okay. If you feel that this is inadequate or does not fulfill your creative needs, please let me know and we can discuss possible changes to this policy. As of now, that's how it stands. Regards!
Yeah 091, that sounds about what I was thinking. I was thinking perhaps we should add that to the rules for the sake of the new users. Also, as per comic relief, I had this idea floating around my head a while back about a character getting interrupted in the middle of an "intimate moment" by a Necros air raid (in the general vein of "Are these damned aliens trying to ruin our relationship!?", but I thought better of it, and it didn't really fit anywhere in my stories).
Spartan-091 — Senior BureaucratOrpheus10/105M56S TALK • CONTRIBUTIONS — {{{time}}}, Eastern Standard Time (GMT -5)
Actually, that does sound funny! I see what you mean now. I will add the above stufflez/pointz to the rules. By the way, Subtank wishes for me to let you know that you have earned a hug for bringing up the point that the rules need to be clarified. :) Regards.
I've often wondered about this rule myself too. I have thought up of some VERY BIZARRE alien methods of reproduction but writing an article about how exactly they "do it" always felt awkward and crossing the line. Sometimes I can work it in casually so it's not explicit,(like in my Halo 3:Unggoy, a angered Elite briefly describes Elite sex) but others simply can't be glossed over in the same way(like how do I work in an explanation of reproduction through self-impregnatory telepathic mental invasion?) So I agree the policy is somewhat vague but at least this forum offers an possibility to change that.Tuckerscreator 00:38, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
Going back on that, actually, what should the policy say on scientific explanation?Tuckerscreator 00:46, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
Spartan-091 — Senior BureaucratOrpheus10/105M56S TALK • CONTRIBUTIONS — {{{time}}}, Eastern Standard Time (GMT -5)
Scientific explanation of reproduction is perfectly acceptable. Remember the key word is tasteful when you are writing it. You needn't put a template on the article, either. I'd be interested in seeing your take on Elite reproduction/childbirth anyway. So, scientific stuff is good. Just keep the terms technical and the article scientific in nature like wikipedia does on its reproduction stuff. Regards.
If you haven't got a template for mature articles, I have made one Template:Mature
Good template, but get rid of the double use of the word "sexuality." And thanks for the thumbs up, Spartan-091!Tuckerscreator 02:40, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
I once developed rather interesting theories on Huragok and Lekgolo reproduction, as well as Sangheili and Jiralhanae mating traditions, but I decided not to post out of awkwardness. Alas, I've since lost the writings, so I'd have to start from scratch again.
On a different note, sexuality may come into play soon in my writing (albeit minorly), as I've been planning to write an article on a Plainsfierian planet with a dangerous underworld. One of the major criminal activities are activate brothels, and, well, shape-shifting prostitutes seem like an... interesting prospect
Here's what I was working on. Is it acceptable? --Dragonclaws(talk) 09:57, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
I don't see why it wouldn't. It looks perfectly okay to me, in fact I like it when you challenge the norm of articles like this, keep it up :) Speaking of which, good thing we solidified the policy, better late than never. Now so long as my upcoming homosexual character(s) doesn't break any of these rules, I'll be fine =3 --Survivorofthe Old Guard
