[edit] Cassie
Sorry about the delays, but I've got the first picture up. The others will be up sometime in the near future, but I managed to get this one and thought I'd drop it by for you.
//Your screams blacken my soul// //I am shadow, I am death// //I am alone in the dark, but not afraid//
Thanks a lot for your offer, I'd be glad to perform any interactions between out characters that you'd like. I'm going to probably have to check over all my recent modifications to Shep's character just to make sure that I'm not contradicting myself anywhere, but yeah, anything you'd want to happen with Laz can pretty much go down. I am staying away from the whole rival thing (he already has enough Sasuke homages and I've started to consider rivalries a really unprofessional thing for soldiers to be involved in). Anyway, thanks again for your offer and I look forward to hearing from you. Actene: [Just trying to survive]
[edit] Solutions
My best solutions (pardon me, this may not be entirely comprehensible, its late and I'm a bit wiped) is to either A), do as LOMI suggested, and selectively disregard certain new parts of canon, or B), form a new class of SPARTANs as a community project, giving them a canon friendly backstory and allowing us to use our same numbers, with minimal editing of our articles. Or of course, we could always "edit" canon a bit, saying that all the new SPARTANs are indeed acknoledged by our site, but instead adding an additional thirty to the roster of those surviving (so like 105 trained, instead of 75), giving us a bit more breathing room.
//Your screams blacken my soul// //I am shadow, I am death// //I am alone in the dark, but not afraid//
Indeed, the Leonidians are indeed just a trick to get past the limit. But I also got the idea several years ago for use with my Brown Team (who were later deleted) and then for Leonid. I've always done it to avoid the limit, to be free from the stress and fluctuations placed on it by Bungie. And your right; heres hoping that the admins get together and think up some sort of solution.
//Your screams blacken my soul// //I am shadow, I am death// //I am alone in the dark, but not afraid//
[edit] Spartan Numbers
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| Specops306 - The Labyrinth Beckons...:
TALK - Tuesday, November 10, 2009
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| My explanation for Spartans is that the Office of Naval Intelligence keeps even the Spartans themselves in the dark as to how many actually survived augmentation, or were even recruited in the first place. As far as official classified records show, and as far as Doctor Halsey knows, 75 children were recruited and trained, with 35 surviving augmentation - in fact, ONI has alterred both of those figures somewhat. There were a number of side-projects that used Spartan personnel - neither Indigo nor Grey teams are registered in the official ranks of the SPARTAN-II roster, and while the Spartans have since found out about Grey Team, they still have no idea about Indigo until 2552. It's likely that ONI has kept a number of other teams going as well, separate from Halsey's command, not trusting a scientist in the deployment of supersoldiers.
Or, you know, we could just go with a Class II. That would certainly be easier.
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I say revive the forum article, probably, try and get awareness back up. And the Brown Team article was a LONG time ago--probably almost two years. I'm working on thinking of some other solution ideas, in the mean time.
//Your screams blacken my soul// //I am shadow, I am death// //I am alone in the dark, but not afraid//
Hey, I've been contemplating our SPARTAN situtation, and would like to share some things I just recently got together. Its a list (two actually) of SPARTAN-IIs as we have them now on the site. It is Necros compatible, but also adds some extra elements. I've taken a couple of creative liberties (such as consolidating the Homecoming character and Keiichi-047 into a single person, as well as making Jared kidnapped after augmentations in proper Leonidian style, to name a couple), but I feel it gets the gist of our current situation across.
- SPARTAN-084 Fhajad
- SPARTAN-018 Kirk
- SPARTAN-005 Rene
- SPARTAN-108 Lazlo (Kidnapped)
- SPARTAN-062 Maria (Mental Instabilities, retired)
- SPARTAN-091 Jared – (Kidnapped)
- SPARTAN-144 Leonid (Faked by ONI Section 0)
- SPARTAN-124 Joe (KIA)
- SPARTAN-012 Riker (Faked by ONI)
- SPARTAN-058 Linda
- SPARTAN-087 Kelly
- SPARTAN-104 Fred
- SPARTAN-075 Cassandra – Not at Reach due to WIA at Sigma Octanus IV
- SPARTAN-077 Edward (not in Necros)
- SPARTAN-038 Melanie
- SPARTAN-070 Elise
- SPARTAN-060 Maverick (not in Necros)
- SPARTAN-013 Ajax
- ((SPARTAN-091 Jared))
- ((SPARTAN-144 Leonid))
- ((SPARTAN-108 Lazlo))
- ((SPARTAN-012 Riker))
- SPARTAN-006 Jai
- SPARTAN-111 Adriana
- SPARTAN-009 Mike
- SPARTAN-117 John
- SPARTAN-081 James
- SPARTAN-068 Randall
- SPARTAN-008 Li – KIA Slipspace Escape
- SPARTAN-029 Joshua – KIA Reach
- SPARTAN-030 Vinh – KIA Reach
- SPARTAN-034 Samuel – KIA Chi Ceti IV
- SPARTAN-039 Isaac – KIA Reach
- SPARTAN-044 Anton – KIA Slipspace Escape
- SPARTAN-051 Kurt – KIA Onyx
- SPARTAN-059 Malcolm – KIA Reach
- SPARTAN-093 Grace – KIA Slipspace Escape
- SPARTAN-101 Sheila – KIA Miridem
- SPARTAN-028 Mike – KIA Reach
- SPARTAN-130 Alice – KIA Reach
- SPARTAN-042 Douglas – KIA Reach
- SPARTAN-092 Jerome – KIA Reach
- SPARTAN-047 Keiichi – KIA Reach
- SPARTAN-066 Soren – KIA Reach
- SPARTAN-141 Cal – KIA Reach
- 12 disabled (Maria mental instabilities, Lazlo faked, Fhajad a writer, Kirk & Rene in gel tanks, Jared faked)
- 30 killed in augmentation (Leonid faked, Joe KIA, Riker faked)
- 33 survived (Adriana, Mike, Jai, Alice, Jerome, Douglas, James, Kurt, Randall, Sheila, Cassandra, John, Samuel, Linda, Joshua, Vinh, Isaac, Mike, Elise, Melanie, Grace, Li, Anton, Will, Ajax, Edward, Kelly, Fred, Malcolm, Maverick, Soren, Cal, (Homecoming, Keiichi).
- 3 sent on missions outside UNSC space (Jai, Adriana, Mike)
- 4 operate as Leonidian agents (Leonid, Riker, Lazlo, Jared)
- 4 KIA/MIA (Samuel, Kurt, Randall, Sheila)
- 1 WIA (Cassandra)
- 3 encounter flood and have selective neural paralysis employed (Alice, Jerome, Douglas)
- 25 at reach (John, James, Linda, Alice, Jerome, Douglas, Joshua, Vinh, Isaac, Mike, Elise, Melanie, Grace, Li, Anton, Will, Ajax, Soren, Cal, Edward, Kelly, Fred, Maverick, Keiichi, Malcolm)
- 3 sent to dock (John, James, Linda)
- 22 sent groundside (Malcolm, Keiichi, Maverick, Fred, Kelly, Edward, Ajax, Will, Anton, Li, Grace, Melanie, Elise, Mike, Isaac, Vinh, Joshua, Douglas, Alice, Jerome, Soren, Cal)
- 4 KIA initially (Jerome, Douglas, Edward (actually MIA), Malcolm)
- 6 WIA initially (Will, Isaac, Vinh, Maverick, Soren, Cal
- Delta (WIA 6) holds castle base (Will, Isaac, Vinh, Maverick, Soren, Cal)
- Gamma (3) secures whitcomb (Anton, Grace, Li)
- Beta (6) defends generators (Ajax, Elise, Melanie, Mike, Alice, Keiichi)
- Alpha (3) attacks Covies (Joshua Kelly, Fred)
- Alpha loses 1 (Joshua)
- Gamma secures whitcomb (no losses)
- Delta enters base, Will, Isaac, Vinh get cut off from Maverick, Soren, Cal
- Beta escapes underground, loses 3 (Mike, Alice, Keiichi)
- Maverick cut off from other two, evacuated by UNSC Spitfire
- Edward, assumed dead, escapes via ONI prowler
- Gamma meets chief (Anton, Li, Grace, John)
- Alpha/Delta engages covenant, loses 2 (Vinh, Isaac)
- Beta escapes via varying methods (Ajax, Elise, Melanie)
- Chief/gamma regroup with alpha/delta and evac, slipspace escape begins
- Unevacuated elements of delta are cut off from support and eliminated by Covenant forces (Soren, Cal)
- 11 killed on reach (Joshua Vinh, Isaac, Malcolm, Douglas, Alice, Jerome, Mike, Keiichi, Soren, Cal)
- 1 goes missing (James)
- 8 escape via ascendant justice (John, Kelly, Linda, Fred, Will, Grace, Li, Anton)
- 3 killed slipspace escape (Grace, Li, Anton)
- 1 kidnapped (Kelly)
- 4 make it back to earth (John, Linda, Fred, Will)
- 5 escape by other means (Ajax, Melanie, Elise, Edward, Maverick,)
- 2 killed at onyx (Kurt, Will)
- 1 goes missing at ark (John)
- 5 reenter service publicly (Cassandra, Lavernius, David, Riker, Jared)
- 13 stay in service (Cassandra, Lavernius, David, Jared, Elise, Maverick, Edward, Ajax, Melanie, Kelly, Fred, Linda, Riker)
- 1 reenters service (Leonid)
- 14 in service (Cassandra, Lavernius, David, Jared, Elise, Maverick, Edward, Ajax, Melanie, Kelly, Fred, Linda, Leonid, Riker)
/Long Post
//Your screams blacken my soul// //I am shadow, I am death// //I am alone in the dark, but not afraid//
Sorry, it was recently updated from a prior version and I apparently missed a few things. I've corrected those errors. By the way, don't delete Richie! We need all the awesome Class IIIs we can get! Connor can't hack it alone.
//Your screams blacken my soul// //I am shadow, I am death// //I am alone in the dark, but not afraid//
Heh, don't sweat having your main character not be your longest. I consider my main character to be Leonid, but he's only 23ish pages, as opposed to Connor, whos like 130. Anyway, Connor's personality is a little bit mulitlayerd, but heres the gist. He's a deeply moral indiviudal, but also obedient to orders (while simoultaneously being indepdent, go figure) meaning he does what his superiors say, but doesn't like alot of it and is farily vocal about not liking it. He's got an optimistic personality, but is also serious on missions, meaning he's not a joker but is not some depressed phycho. Just professional. Also, he's similar to Kurt in that he emphasizes to much with his subordinates and with the troops he fights alongside, occasionally making him dependent. He's also very logical and goal oriented.
As for his relation with Richie, I have a few ideas. I like the thing of sort of a anti-friendship, but I'd like to introduce a few details that make it more complex than a simple I hate you thing. I think it'd be interesting to stress the point that out of all the Class IIIs, they understand each other the best (since they both lost their entire teams and suffered mental trauma because of it), and can emphasize with each other. However, I think that the focal point of their dislike could be their outlook on life, focused around how they reacted to the death of their team (Connor getting depressed, then driven, then moving on, while Richie becomming perpetually angry :P). So they understand, emphasize, and respect each other but still dislike each other on a more basic level. I kind of like this because it continues a trend I have with Connor alongside his fellow Class IIIs. He is jealous and frustrated about Gold Team (in addition to originally being their rival) but is somehow good friends with them. Basically, he's good friends with the people he has negative feelings towards yet not friends with the people he has positive feelings toward. Confusing, is it not?
//Your screams blacken my soul// //I am shadow, I am death// //I am alone in the dark, but not afraid//
Sounds like a plan. One other thing though. What did Richie teach during S-IV training? If possible, it'd be cool if he could aid Leonid in stealth training. Might not be the best fit, but Leonid and him have very similar methodologies. I think they'd fit right in with each other.
//Your screams blacken my soul// //I am shadow, I am death// //I am alone in the dark, but not afraid//
Hey, I've just made some fixes to Shephard's personality and think he's ready to go as a functioning character. Whenever you have time, do you want to brainstorm some ideas for interactions between him and Laz together? Actene: [Just trying to survive]
I like the idea of a complex relationship; it's a lot more interesting than a straight-up friendship or rivalry. It seems that while Laz and Shep's basic personalities are very different, their internal fears and their experiences of horrible slaughters (although I think that Shephard wins the "Most F---ed up Early Life", a common feature for my characters :P). I agree with your ideas on their relationship, and I think that there's a lot of things they can disagree on (e.g. Laz seems to prefer long range weapons while Shephard is a close quarters fighter, Laz has forgiven the Sanghelli while Shephard hates them with a passion). I was thinking that Shephard could be discovered by Laz's ship sometime during the end of SAVIOR. The time spent not in cryo-sleep could be devoted to making sure that Shephard does not die of his injuries (which were extremely serious following the end of PROMETHEUS). During this time, maybe Laz could help Shep's mental state a little (he seems like the kind of guy who could do that), and perhaps Laz's faith in the UNSC might be partially shaken after learning that it sent three hundred child soldiers to their certain deaths during the HCW.
Thanks for the advice on Tom and Lucy, I didn't know you were in charge of them. I haven't read GoO in a while; did they have much of a personality in that? I'd love to develop some sort of relationship between them and Shephard, the similarity thing has been bugging me forever.
Thanks for the suggestions, I'm going to enjoy working with you. Actene: [Just trying to survive]
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